THE SATANIC CONSPIRACY AGAINST AMERICA & ISRAEL

[John 10:10]

Derek Prince was asked by Stephen Mansfield in the book, "Derek Prince - A Biography," why he felt God calling him to America in 1963, Derek replied,

"I began to understand the early settlers of America entered into a covenant with God for the land. I realized that it is a covenant that must still exist in the heart of God, and I knew then I was to awaken the American church so that they would renew that very covenant."

There is a Satanic conspiracy against America and Israel. The people whom God used to found these nations entered into a covenant with God for the land. God had a divine purpose for founding America. I believe it was ultimately to use America for God's endtime purposes, shaping history by helping to end two great wars of the 20th century, bringing on the collapse of the great USSR bear, and overthrowing Saddam's Iraq whose goal was to destroy Israel. Now there is Iran, Turkey, Syria, Osama and other Arab countries that are aligning themselves against Israel. If America's government continues to align itself against Israel instead of standing beside Israel and God's covenant with Israel for the land, there will be no holding back of God's judgements on our land.

I believe this is God's prophetic word to America for such a time as this.

Blessings

[John 10:10]

God is fulfulling His endtime purposes by restoring Israel starting in 1948 to the Land He entered into Abraham covenant relationship with in Gen 17:8,

"I will give to you and to your descendants after you, the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession ; and I will be their God."

Standing with Israel's God-given right to the Land in no way justifies every thing Israel does as she protects her people and possesses her land. But Israel's enemies refuse to acknowledge Israel's right to any part of this land, and vow to destroy Israel from the land. Standing with nations that oppose Israel's right to the land will incur God's judgment, especially when the Lord goes forth to fight against those nations (Zech 14:3).

Before then, there will come a day very soon when God opens Israel's eyes, "I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced ; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn" (Zech 12:10).

I want to be a part of praying and fasting for God to bring Israel into the body of Christ, so that Zech 14 may also come to pass.

[nasr]

America and Israel were founded by racial supremists who afforded no rights to the indigenous populations. Their Bible says: "I will give to you and to your descendants after you, the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God." But they have taken it by force of arms, murder, deception and terror. The meaning of this passage has been long fulfilled by the Arabs, descendants of Abraham through his first born son Ishmael who have inhabited the promise land ever since: "...an everlasting possession..." Not the Jews! The Jews were removed three times from the land, their kingdom destroyed twice. There is no third return in the Bible.

How can you continue to deny the inheritance Abraham's first born son Ishmael? Do you curse Abraham as an adulturer? Do you curse Ishmael as illegitimate? If so, then by your own Bible you are cursed!

If you cannot see the evil in the way modern Israel was founded and continues to exsist then you must be blind! If you believe it is God's will to use murder, deception and terror to take possesion and spoils then how are you different from the other terrorists?

"Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:
And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates, To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land..."

Ezekiel 38.10-12

The Holyland was a land of "unwalled villages" before the Zionist Anglo-Americans conspired to invade. Racist militant Israel will never be 'at rest, dwell safely, without walls having neither bars nor gates.' The Zionists are the obvious invaders and despoilers: "...all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords..." They are Gog and Magog!

[John 10:10]

America and Israel were founded by racial supremists who afforded no rights to the indigenous populations. Their Bible says: "I will give to you and to your descendants after you, the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God." But they have taken it by force of arms, murder, deception and terror. The meaning of this passage has been long fulfilled by the Arabs, descendants of Abraham through his first born son Ishmael who have inhabited the promise land ever since: "...an everlasting possession..." Not the Jews! The Jews were removed three times from the land, their kingdom destroyed twice. There is no third return in the Bible.

How can you continue to deny the inheritance Abraham's first born son Ishmael? Do you curse Abraham as an adulturer? Do you curse Ishmael as illegitimate? If so, then by your own Bible you are cursed!

If you cannot see the evil in the way modern Israel was founded and continues to exsist then you must be blind! If you believe it is God's will to use murder, deception and terror to take possesion and spoils then how are you different from the other terrorists?

"Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:
And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates, To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land..."

Ezekiel 38.10-12

The Holyland was a land of "unwalled villages" before the Zionist Anglo-Americans conspired to invade. Racist militant Israel will never be 'at rest, dwell safely, without walls having neither bars nor gates.' The Zionists are the obvious invaders and despoilers: "...all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords..." They are Gog and Magog!

The problem is that Muslims do not believe "Yahweh of the Bible" is the true "I AM GOD" who gave the land of Canaan to the descendants of Abraham & Sarah.

Muslims believe "Allah of the Quran" is the true "I AM GOD" who gave the land of Canaan to the descendants of Abraham & Hagar.

Either the Bible is true, or the Quran is true.

Either Yahweh is the true God and the Bible is His revelation to man, or Allah is the true God and the Quran is His true revelation to man.

The Bible & Yahweh and the Quran & Allah cannot both be God's true revelation.

The true God is the ONE who manifests Himself to His "born again" children in the power and love of His grace and truth at Calvary's cross, from the promises given to Abraham/Isaac/Jacob to Moses to David to Messiah Jesus who is now Lord (Acts 2:36). All Gentiles, including Muslims, can enter into the door of God's salvation as Jesus declared in John 10,

7 So Jesus said to them again, "Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 "All who came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
9 "I am the door ; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.

Blessings

[nasr]

Muslims believe "Allah of the Quran" is the true "I AM GOD" who gave the land of Canaan to the descendants of Abraham...

Who said Hagar or Sarah?

[John 10:10]

Muslims believe "Allah of the Quran" is the true "I AM GOD" who gave the land of Canaan to the descendants of Abraham...

Who said Hagar or Sarah?

I cannot read the Bible for you, or speak God's word to your heart. This you have to do for yourself.

The God of the Bible said this to Abraham in Gen 17,

19 But God said, "No, but Sarah your wife will bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac ; and I will establish My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him.
20 "As for Ishmael, I have heard you; behold, I will bless him, and will make him fruitful and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall become the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation.
21 "But My covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you at this season next year."

The primary story of the God of the Bible is God's revelation of how God chose the man Abraham to establish His eternal covenant with. This covenant not only covered God's promises to Abraham for the land of Canaan (Gen 17:8), but that thru Abraham's seed "all the nations of the earth shall be blessed" (Gen 22:18). When Abraham was about to offer Isaac as a burnt offering, God stayed Abraham's hand and said, "God will provide Himself the lamb for the burnt offering" (Gen 22:8), looking forward to the coming Messiah Jesus who would save sinners from our sins.

This in a nutshell is God's salvation story as revealed in the Bible. It matters not whether one is Jew or Gentile to be able to enter into God's salvation. God's salvation is for the whole world thru the gift of Himself, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world (John 1:29).

If it was just up to me to try to convince you of the truth of the God of the Bible, I would fail miserably. But thru the preaching of God's word, God's Spirit convicts sinners of sin, righteousness and judgment (John 16:7-11), and draws those to Himself such as are being saved (Acts 2:47).

The only initial work sinner man can do to please God is to believe in Him whom God sent (John 6:28-29). This is God's work of grace - God's Riches At Christ's Expense. After sinner man enters into God's salvation (Eph 2:8-9), many good works can and do follow those who believe (Eph 2:10).

"For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself." (Acts 2:39)

Blessings

[nasr]

The Quran makes no special favor towards Ishmael or Isaac, they are both the seed of Abraham:

We believe in Allah and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmail, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes and in that given to Moses, Jesus and the Prophets from their Lord; we make no distinction between one and another among them... (Quran 3.84)

The problem is that Muslims do not believe "Yahweh of the Bible" is the true "I AM GOD" who gave the land of Canaan to the descendants of Abraham & Sarah.

Muslims believe there is only One God and they believe that the promise God gave to Abraham was inherited by all his decsendants; Isaac, Ishmael, Israel and the Arabs. The problem is with your Bible translation and interpretations that imply only Isaac as the legitamate seed of Abraham.

...Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, ...and offer him there for a burnt offering... (Genesis 22.2)

Isaac was never the only son; only Ishmael was ever the only son of Abraham. This is a glaring example of the mistranslation and misinterpretation of the Bible, and there are many more if you care to hear them.

Either the Bible is true, or the Quran is true.

Either Yahweh is the true God and the Bible is His revelation to man, or Allah is the true God and the Quran is His true revelation to man.

The Bible & Yahweh and the Quran & Allah cannot both be God's true revelation.

God did reveal the Torah to Moses as He revealed the Gospel to Jesus and the Quran to Muhammad, but the book that Christians and Jews have today is only a remnant of the original revelation. Clearly the Bible has been twisted to the extent that false teachings like the trinity have broken the covenant to Abraham:

And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee...

It is the Muslims today who hold onto the covenant worshipping the One God and no other. They do not associate any person or anything with God and it is they who inhabit the promise land and have continuously as an everlasting convenant.

[John 10:10]

The Quran makes no special favor towards Ishmael or Isaac, they are both the seed of Abraham:

We believe in Allah and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmail, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes and in that given to Moses, Jesus and the Prophets from their Lord; we make no distinction between one and another among them... (Quran 3.84)

As long as Muslims reject the God of the Bible who did make a distinction between the descendants of Isaac & Ishmael, establishing His covenant with Isaac for an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him (Gen 17:19), Muslims will continue to rely on the false Allah god of the Quran. Allah is not the true God of the Bible, and the Quran does not present God's true revelation to man.

The problem is that Muslims do not believe "Yahweh of the Bible" is the true "I AM GOD" who gave the land of Canaan to the descendants of Abraham & Sarah.

Muslims believe there is only One God and they believe that the promise God gave to Abraham was inherited by all his decsendants; Isaac, Ishmael, Israel and the Arabs. The problem is with your Bible translation and interpretations that imply only Isaac as the legitamate seed of Abraham.

Christians also believe there is only One God (John 10:30). The problem is that Muslims reject the Bible as being the One True God's revelation to man.

...Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, ...and offer him there for a burnt offering... (Genesis 22.2)

Isaac was never the only son; only Ishmael was ever the only son of Abraham. This is a glaring example of the mistranslation and misinterpretation of the Bible, and there are many more if you care to hear them.

There can be only one translation of Gen 17:19 where the One True God establishes His covenant through Isaac, eventually leading to Messiah Jesus who takes away the sin of the world (John 1:29).

Either the Bible is true, or the Quran is true.

Either Yahweh is the true God and the Bible is His revelation to man, or Allah is the true God and the Quran is His true revelation to man.

The Bible & Yahweh and the Quran & Allah cannot both be God's true revelation.

God did reveal the Torah to Moses as He revealed the Gospel to Jesus and the Quran to Muhammad, but the book that Christians and Jews have today is only a remnant of the original revelation. Clearly the Bible has been twisted to the extent that false teachings like the trinity have broken the covenant to Abraham:

The One True God of the Bible did reveal the Torah to Moses, and the Bible we have today is the same Bible as was revealed to Moses. The Bible we have today dates back to hundreds of years before Muhammad's day, with manuscripts that can be verified to be much older that Muhammad. Muhammad rejected both the old covenant relationship with man through Abraham/Isaac/Jacob, and the new covenant relationship with man through Messiah Lord Jesus (John 14:6), thus opening the door for the god of this world Satan to deceive Muhammad with a false revelation that became the Quran. Yes, we agree that either the Bible or the Quran has false twisted teachings.

And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee...

It is the Muslims today who hold onto the covenant worshipping the One God and no other. They do not associate any person or anything with God and it is they who inhabit the promise land and have continuously as an everlasting convenant.

It is the Muslims today who worship a false god Allah, rejecting the God of the Bible who desires to give man the gift of His eternal life through the Lord Jesus Christ (John 10:10).

[John 10:10]

nasr,

We have debated Islam vs Christianity for many years on this forum. The bottom line is this:

It all comes down to the truthfulness of the either the Quran or the Bible. Both cannot be the One True God’s revelation to man.

Muslims believe the Bible we have today is corrupted. Most Muslims believed this corruption occurred after Muhammad’s day, until the Dead Sea Scrolls discovered in 1947 & 1956 which date between 150 BCE and 70 CE proved the Old Testament scriptures we have today are the same as existed 600-700 years before Muhammad. Now Muslims are left with explaining how the true Bible scriptures were either corrupted or lost before Muhammad’s day.

Muhammad knew he had to have a foundation to build upon, so he declared that the Quran was verified by Bible scriptures that came before him and existed in his day:

10:34 And this Quran is not such as could be forged by those besides Allah, but it is a verification of that which is before it and a clear explanation of the book, there is no doubt in it, from the Lord of the worlds.

35.31 And that which We have revealed to you of the Book, that is the truth verifying that which is before it; most surely with respect to His servants Allah is Aware, Seeing.

Later when Islam began to spread into the Christian world, learned Muslims could clearly see that they had a big problem with the Book that came before the Quran NOT VERIFYING the Quran. So Muslims now say the Book that existed in Muhammad’s day has either been lost or corrupted, ignoring the bigger problem of the Dead Sea Scrolls verifying the accuracy of the Bible we have today.

The story of the Bible is God’s revelation of how He chose to save and redeem man from his sins, starting from Adam to Noah to Abraham to David to Messiah Jesus. The Quran is not verified by this revelation that came before it. Jesus declared, “I am the door (to God’s salvation), if anyone enters through Me, he shall be saved” (John 10:9).

Why not put Jesus to the test? Ask Him to reveal and manifest Himself to you and see what happens!

Blessings

[nasr]

10:34 And this Quran is not such as could be forged by those besides Allah, but it is a verification of that which is before it and a clear explanation of the book, there is no doubt in it, from the Lord of the worlds.

35.31 And that which We have revealed to you of the Book, that is the truth verifying that which is before it; most surely with respect to His servants Allah is Aware, Seeing.

What came before the Quran is not the Bible that you have today. Your argument is weak because the Quran itself says that the scriptures at the time of Muhammad were already corrupted:

Do you covet that they will believe in you when [in fact] a party of them used to hear the Word of Allah then they would distort it knowingly after they had understood it?
...Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and then say: 'This is from Allah', to traffic with it for a miserable price. Woe to them for what their hands do write and for the gain they make thereby (Quran 2.75,79)


Of the Jews are those who change words from their places and say: 'We hear and disobey; hear you as one who hears not' and 'give us concession' with a twist of their tongues and as a mockery of religion. But if only they had said: 'We hear and we obey' and 'Do make us understand' it would have been better for them and more upright. But Allah has cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not, except a few. (Quran 4.46)

And you are accused of knowing the truth and lying about it:

O People of the Book! Why do you cover Truth with falsehood, and conceal the Truth, while you have knowledge? (Quran 3.70-71)

O people of the Book! Now has come unto you Our messenger, revealing to you much of what you used to hide in the Book, and passing over much. Indeed, there has come to you from God a light and a plain Scripture (Quran 5.15)

The fact is your Bible was not even compiled nor rendered into its present state until almost 1000 years after Muhammad!

[John 10:10]

What came before the Quran is not the Bible that you have today. Your argument is weak because the Quran itself says that the scriptures at the time of Muhammad were already corrupted.

The fact is your Bible was not even compiled nor rendered into its present state until almost 1000 years after Muhammad!

I don't think you even read my replies before you comment. The Dead Sea Scrolls in Hebrew which date to 600-700 years before Muhammad verify that the Old Testament scriptures we have today are the same as existed then. New Testament scriptures in Greek that date to hundreds of years before Muhammad also verify scriptures we have today are the same as existed then. Since both OT & NT scriptures that we have today are the same as existed hundreds of years before Muhammad, it's the Quran that does not reveal God's truth, not the Bible.

The Quran clearly says the scriptures that came before it verify the truthfulness of the Quran. It's time for Islam to either show the scriptures that came before it that verify the Quran, or shut up. The Bible scriptures we have today are verified by scriptures that are hundreds of years older than Muhammad.

Therefore, the only explanation left for Islam to say is that the Hebrew & Greek manuscripts that are hundreds of years older than Muhammad's day must also be corrupted.

For Islam, starting from Adam to Noah to Abraham to David to Messiah Jesus, this means the God of the Bible could not keep His word to mankind from being corrupted, thus saving and keeping scriptures that verify the Quran.

For Islam, this means the God of the Bible waited another 600 years after Messiah Jesus for God to correct this corruption story.

The missing ingredient that Islam cannot understand or receive is this truth declared by Jesus in John 14:23,

Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word ; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him."

For sinners who repent of their sins and turn to Jesus for the forgiveness of their sins, allowing Jesus to be Lord in their lives, the God of the Bible comes to them and makes His abode with them with the gift of His Spirit.

For redeemed sinners that enter into God's salvation, this is the proof that the Bible we have today which is verified by manuscripts much older than Muhammad's day is not corrupted!

Therefore He (the Lord Jesus Christ) is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. (Heb 7:25 )

Does Allah of the Quran reveal and manifest himself to Muslims in this way?

The God of the Bible does!

[nasr]

It's time for Islam to either show the scriptures that came before it that verify the Quran...

There are many scriptures from the Bible that verify the Quran but the changes and adulturations have concealed many of them. I admit that there still remains some truths in the Bible yet there were many others scriptures that were rejected at the Council of Nicea and did not make it into the modern Bible:

Among the nearly 200 Gospels circulating in the first three hundred years of this era, the Catholic Church canonized only four. Origen, the great Catholic father, confirms this fact: "And not four Gospels, but very many, out of which these we have chosen."

A partial list of the different books considered by the Church for inclusion were a gospel written by Jesus’ own hand; letters and other correspondences written by Jesus; letters written by the "virgin" Mary; Pilate’s official report to the emperor of the trial and crucifixion of Jesus, with Pilate’s confession of faith; the reply to this from Tiberius, and the trial of Pilate; official documents of the Roman Senate about Jesus; Gospels, epistles, acts, by every single one of the twelve apostles; and official documents of church law and government, written in Greek by the apostles. In his book, Answering Christianity's Most Puzzling Questions, Christian apologist Richard Sisson states:

"In fact, after the death of Jesus a whole flood of books that claimed to be inspired appeared.... Disputes over which ones were true were so intense that the debate continued for centuries. Finally in the fourth century a group of church leaders called a council and took a vote. The 66 books that comprised our cherished Bible were declared to be Scripture by a vote of 568 to 563."

http://www.messiahtruth.com/response.html

Christian scholar Rt. Rev. George Arthur Butterick, in The Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible, a book written by to prove the validity of the New Testament, states:
"A study of 150 Greek [manuscripts] of the Gospel of Luke has revealed more than 30,000 different readings.... It is safe to say that there is not one sentence in the New Testament in which the [manuscript] is wholly uniform."
http://www.amazon.com/Interpreters-Dict ... 129&sr=1-1

...the Dead Sea Scrolls... proved the Old Testament scriptures we have today are the same as existed 600-700 years before Muhammad.

The Dead Sea Scrolls are only parts of the Bible they do not contain the whole text and there are numerous textual discrepecies and even debates about their authenticity. Only the text of Isaiah is complete:

Of the 166 Hebrew words in Isaiah 53, seventeen letters in Dead Sea Scroll 1QIsb
differ from the Masoretic Text (Geisler and Nix, 1986, p. 382).

10 letters = spelling differences

4 letters = stylistic changes

3 letters = added word for “light” (vs. 11)
______________________________________
17 letters = no affect on biblical teaching
http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/266

What is most remarkable is the difference between the doctrines of the Christian and Jewish who profess to follow the same Book! If the Dead Sea Scroll prove the Bible has changed little over 1000 years why is there such a disparity in its interpretation as evidenced by these two faiths? Furthermore, the many differing sects of Christianity and even the Protestant denominations themselves who are divided by various interpretations of the very same book. Finally your own doctrine is proven false by the scriptures you claim to uphold:

"Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day that the LORD spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire: Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female..." Deuteronomy 4.15

"Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath..." Deuteronomy 5.8

[John 10:10]

Since you refuse to believe manuscripts that are hundreds of years older than Muhammad verify the Bible we have today are the same as existed then, how do you refute the following?

The missing ingredient that Islam cannot understand or receive is this truth declared by Jesus in John 14:23,

Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word ; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him."

For the last 2000 years sinners who repent of their sins and turn to Jesus for the forgiveness of their sins, allowing Jesus to be Lord in their lives, the God of the Bible comes to them and makes His abode with them with the gift of His Spirit, as God says He will do in His Word (Acts 2:38-39).

For redeemed sinners that enter into God's salvation, this is the proof that the Bible we have today which is verified by manuscripts much older than Muhammad's day is not corrupted! God has given to us the gift of His Spirit as He said He would!

"I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you." (John 14:16-18)

Therefore He (the Lord Jesus Christ) is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. (Heb 7:25 )

Does Allah of the Quran reveal and manifest himself to Muslims in this way?

The God of the Bible does!

[John 10:10]

Muslims have no answer for the God of yesterday, today and forever Who comes and makes His abode with us.